Welcome to Ship Construction Forum!

 This forum provides non-members a place to ask questions about the construction and maintenance of remote control warships.

Ken's picture

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Hi,

My name is Kenneth Berry, but I go by Ken.  I am retiring from the United States Navy after 27 years of service.  In the past, I have participated in a fair amount of 15mm miniature war gaming.  I am interested in doing something more creative that has something to do with my love of history and the navy.  My first ship was the USS Portland (LSD-37), everything that I learned about being a Sailor occurred during that five year tour.  One of the previous namesakes of my first ship was CA-33, an Indianapolis class cruiser, I would like to build a a recreation of that ship.  Perhaps it will teach me as much about RC shipbuilding as my first tour aboard Portland.

Ken

Tom's picture

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Hi Ken,  Wecome to our forum.

I am Tom, the moral and laundry officer for the club.

Where is your home port?   Maybe we have member(s) in your area.

In scale, the Cruiser you selected would be only 48 and a half inches long.

Where as the Battleship Wisconsin (BB-64) is almost 74 inches long.

 

I have no idea of your building skills, but one thing that we always tell folks new to this hobby is to build something BIG first.  The smaller the boat the more difficult the build.  

I am not saying no to your selection, just that you might want to build a Battleship first to learn the ropes then go to your cruiser.

Again Welcome to our merry band.

Tom

 

 

Ken's picture

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Hi Tom,

Thanks for the warm welcome. I am currently home ported in the Hampton Roads area. I work for COMNAVSURFLANT. My building skills range from moderate to advanced. I have probably just about every tool on the planet. I welcome any suggestions that you may have. I am not adverse to starting with a battleship. I do have a ton of questions. I appreciate any help that you may offer.

Ken
Brian's picture

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Welcome aboard Ken!

Big Guns ships are more heavily armed than Fast Guns ships. So, like Tom mentioned, we recommend that people start with as large a ship as possible - preferably one with as few turrets as possible also. Smaller ships are very difficult to build. USS Portland (CA-33) would be a very difficult build.

In your case you have a strong emotional tie to the ship - that might just carry you through the hard times of the difficult build. If you have your heart set on a Portland class cruiser I have a few recommendations that might help you out:

  • find something you can sail while tackling the challenging task of arming the cruiser; either buy a used ship or build a simple unarmed freighter to start. Trust me, there will be times you want to give up. Having a ship to play with will help you get though those days.
  • watch your expectations. Just getting this ship armed with one or two non-rotating turrets will be a challenge. Set that as a goal and see how it goes
  • expect things to cost more than they would usually. You will need smaller... everything. Small electronics cost more money; small high-density (and water safe) batteries cost more money; strong but light materials cost more money; etc.
  • expect to build things more than once (which also costs more money). Keeping things as simple as possible and sticking to tried-and-true techniques will reduce this
  • expect the build to take more time (another reason to get another boat in the meantime)

I am not trying to scare you off - I just want to make certain you are going in with reasonable expectations. Normally we discourage small armed ships for a first build. Only you can judge if the emotional attachment to this ship is enough to carry you through.

The good news is we are here to help. A couple of us have built very small ships. William has a working unarmed LST. Tom has almost finished arming a liberty ship. Mark had a partially armed HMS Abdiel; I am currently finishing up an SMS Nassau build. So there is a lot of experience with small ships in the club.

 

Ken's picture

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Brian,

I appreciate the warm welcome. Eventually I would like to build the USS Portland, however I am not emotionally fixated on building it first. Would you recommend purchasing a kit or building a ship from scratch? I was on http://www.strikemodels.com/products/ships/ and the kits seemed reasonable in cost, however it does not include any of the running hardware. What is a reasonable price for a starter ship? I appreciate any help that you may be able to offer.

Ken
Brian's picture

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The best advice for new members is to buy a used ship. Yeah, you probably will inherit some old problems, however, unless you buy a real wreak it is easier to reverse engineer a working boat for repairs than to design a new build.

Keep in mind that the term 'kit' that is used by Battlers' Connection and Strike Models is a little misleading... It is a collection of parts that you can use to can make a floating hull. It is a long ways from a working ship. You've said that your building skills are good so a kit would be a great foundation - just don't think you are getting something with all the parts or even nice instructions on how to get a fully functional ship. It is little more than the materials for a hull, deck and superstructure. You will still need all of your cannons, CO2 plumbing, propulsion, electronics, radio, etc.

The cost of a ship is a hard question to answer. The basic rules of thumb are ships are more expensive the more turrets they have and the smaller they are. So a big ship with fewer turrets is the least expensive and a small ship with lots of turrets is the most expensive. I recommend you do the following: determine what the largest ship is you can reasonably transport on your own. Then decide what your budget is. Then either look for a used ship that you can handle or consider building the largest ship you can transport with the fewest turrets.

Most importantly: come and meet some members and look at their ships! Talk with members about what they like and dislike about their ships. You will learn a lot doing that.

 

Historically the warships in our club have cost from $600 to $900 (or so) used. I think Charles has about $1200 into his USS Missouri and I put about $1100 into my BB HMS Lion when they were new. Even though those ships are older I think prices have been pretty steady over the years; cannons are more expensive but electronics are a lot less.

Let us not discuss the cost of building Nassau... lets just say it was very expensive.(and the money is still going out)

Ships with stationary cannons are less expensive than those with rotating turrets... Ships with non-reloading torpedoes are cheaper than ships with reloading cannons... Unarmed ships are dirt cheap. I would guess it is possible to scratch build a new unarmed freighter for $100-$200 and not have cut any corners.

Did I ever get around to answering your questions?

 

Ken's picture

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Brian,

I priced out the cost of building one of the Strike Model kits and to make it fully functional the cost breakdown is as follows:

 

USS Brooklyn Hull & Kit                                                                                       - $239.00

Hardware: HDW-CA-G - HDW-CA                                                                         - $100.00
Cannon System: 3 Barrels                                                                                  - $206.00
CO2 Supply: BOTTLE-3.5 TANK-3.5                                                                     -   $45.00
CO2 Regulator: REGULATR-140 REG-V                                                                  -   $65.00
Bilge Pump: PUMP-S1-6-14                                                                                 -   $28.00
Radio System: 4 channel minimum, 5 or 6 preferred-RADIO-HK                                -   $80.00
Battery Supply: (2) 6 volt, 4-5 amp hr. Gel Cell (one used each sortie) – 32900          -   $55.00

 

Total Cost                     = $818.00

 

To answer your question about transport size, I own a 2005 Honda Pilot. With the second and third row seating lowered, there is 5 feet of room in the bed. As far as funding for my new project, I would like to stay under $1,000. I was thinking that I would like to start with an AO. I was looking at doing the USS Cimarron (AO 22).
Brian's picture

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It will be faster to talk in person. However, that price list covers the big ticket items for building the ship with one turret working. Strike Models is supposed to also offer just accumluators for sale this summer - so you should be able to save some money by switching to non-rotating cannons.

Building a warship for under $1000 should be reasonable if you watch your expenses.

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Ok Brian, thanks.  I have been doing a lot of reading over the past few days.  I think by this weekend, I will probably be able to ask some intellegent questions and get my game plan for building my first ship.  I will shop around for a used ship, but so far I have not found any that seem to be what I am looking for.

Ken